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Pharmacist With $326,000 in Student Debt Gets Blunt Advice From Dave Ramsey: 'You Paid Five Times More Than You Should Have'

MarketDash Editorial Team
10 hours ago
A 31-year-old single mother earning $150,000 as a pharmacist called into The Ramsey Show with a crushing problem: $326,000 in federal student loans spread across 21 separate debts. Dave Ramsey's response was characteristically blunt, telling her she got "completely screwed" on her education and needs to stop investing for retirement to tackle the debt head-on.

Here's a financial nightmare that's more common than it should be: a 31-year-old single mom from Vermont becomes a pharmacist, lands a solid $150,000 salary, and still finds herself buried under $326,000 in student debt. When Hillary called into "The Ramsey Show" looking for guidance, she got the unfiltered Dave Ramsey treatment.

The Staggering Cost of Pharmacy School

Hillary's situation is genuinely rough. She graduated in 2020 with both federal and private student loans. The good news? She's already knocked out $70,000 in private debt. The bad news? Her $326,000 in federal loans—spread across 21 separate loans—sat in forbearance while interest compounded into a monster.

"I tried to pay off as much as I could before the interest started," Hillary explained. "But now the interest is starting, and I can't seem to figure paying [them] off."

Ramsey didn't sugarcoat it. "You got completely screwed on your education," he said. "You paid like five times more than you should have to become a pharmacist."

Hillary admitted she doesn't fully understand how the cost ballooned so dramatically. Ramsey's take was simple: "It shouldn't have been anywhere near $400-and-something-thousand to become a freaking pharmacist. No, no, no."

Stop Investing, Start Attacking

Hillary had been trying to balance debt repayment with retirement contributions, which sounds responsible on paper. But co-host George Kamel called it what it is: competing goals. "You either want to get out of debt or invest. You can't do both at once and make progress," he said.

Ramsey's advice was straightforward and brutal. Pause all retirement contributions and redirect every available dollar toward the student loans. "You're broke. You have got to do something different. You've got to attack these student loans to get rid of them. They're not a pet, they're an ugly zoo animal," Ramsey said.

It's harsh, but the math backs him up. When you're paying interest on a six-figure debt, your investment returns need to significantly outpace that interest rate to make saving worthwhile. In Hillary's case, they won't.

The Four-Year Escape Plan

When asked how much she could realistically throw at her loans annually, Hillary estimated between $40,000 and $50,000 after accounting for childcare costs. Ramsey pushed her higher: aim for $75,000 per year.

He then walked her through his debt snowball method. List all 21 loans from smallest to largest. Pay minimum payments on everything except the smallest loan, then throw every extra dollar at that one until it's eliminated. Once it's gone, move to the next smallest. Repeat.

"The goal here is to make more payments than the interest is accruing, so the balance goes down," Kamel explained.

At $75,000 annually—roughly $6,000 to $6,500 per month—Ramsey calculated Hillary could be completely debt-free in four years. That means she'd be 35 and finally able to start building wealth without a six-figure albatross around her neck.

"Otherwise, this is going to just stay in a death cycle on you," Ramsey warned.

The broader lesson here isn't just about Hillary's situation. It's about understanding the true cost of education before signing loan documents and recognizing when aggressive debt payoff needs to take priority over everything else. Sometimes the best investment you can make is eliminating the debt that's holding you back.

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Pharmacist With $326,000 in Student Debt Gets Blunt Advice From Dave Ramsey: 'You Paid Five Times More Than You Should Have'

MarketDash Editorial Team
10 hours ago
A 31-year-old single mother earning $150,000 as a pharmacist called into The Ramsey Show with a crushing problem: $326,000 in federal student loans spread across 21 separate debts. Dave Ramsey's response was characteristically blunt, telling her she got "completely screwed" on her education and needs to stop investing for retirement to tackle the debt head-on.

Here's a financial nightmare that's more common than it should be: a 31-year-old single mom from Vermont becomes a pharmacist, lands a solid $150,000 salary, and still finds herself buried under $326,000 in student debt. When Hillary called into "The Ramsey Show" looking for guidance, she got the unfiltered Dave Ramsey treatment.

The Staggering Cost of Pharmacy School

Hillary's situation is genuinely rough. She graduated in 2020 with both federal and private student loans. The good news? She's already knocked out $70,000 in private debt. The bad news? Her $326,000 in federal loans—spread across 21 separate loans—sat in forbearance while interest compounded into a monster.

"I tried to pay off as much as I could before the interest started," Hillary explained. "But now the interest is starting, and I can't seem to figure paying [them] off."

Ramsey didn't sugarcoat it. "You got completely screwed on your education," he said. "You paid like five times more than you should have to become a pharmacist."

Hillary admitted she doesn't fully understand how the cost ballooned so dramatically. Ramsey's take was simple: "It shouldn't have been anywhere near $400-and-something-thousand to become a freaking pharmacist. No, no, no."

Stop Investing, Start Attacking

Hillary had been trying to balance debt repayment with retirement contributions, which sounds responsible on paper. But co-host George Kamel called it what it is: competing goals. "You either want to get out of debt or invest. You can't do both at once and make progress," he said.

Ramsey's advice was straightforward and brutal. Pause all retirement contributions and redirect every available dollar toward the student loans. "You're broke. You have got to do something different. You've got to attack these student loans to get rid of them. They're not a pet, they're an ugly zoo animal," Ramsey said.

It's harsh, but the math backs him up. When you're paying interest on a six-figure debt, your investment returns need to significantly outpace that interest rate to make saving worthwhile. In Hillary's case, they won't.

The Four-Year Escape Plan

When asked how much she could realistically throw at her loans annually, Hillary estimated between $40,000 and $50,000 after accounting for childcare costs. Ramsey pushed her higher: aim for $75,000 per year.

He then walked her through his debt snowball method. List all 21 loans from smallest to largest. Pay minimum payments on everything except the smallest loan, then throw every extra dollar at that one until it's eliminated. Once it's gone, move to the next smallest. Repeat.

"The goal here is to make more payments than the interest is accruing, so the balance goes down," Kamel explained.

At $75,000 annually—roughly $6,000 to $6,500 per month—Ramsey calculated Hillary could be completely debt-free in four years. That means she'd be 35 and finally able to start building wealth without a six-figure albatross around her neck.

"Otherwise, this is going to just stay in a death cycle on you," Ramsey warned.

The broader lesson here isn't just about Hillary's situation. It's about understanding the true cost of education before signing loan documents and recognizing when aggressive debt payoff needs to take priority over everything else. Sometimes the best investment you can make is eliminating the debt that's holding you back.