Comedian and podcaster Joe Rogan made the case for capitalism on a recent episode of "The Joe Rogan Experience," arguing that the system's incentive structure pushes people to work harder and innovate because they're rewarded for their efforts.

During a conversation about money and happiness with comedian and writer Neal Brennan, the discussion turned philosophical. Brennan argued that capitalism forces people into meaningless competition with each other. Rogan acknowledged the system isn't perfect, but said it still allows people to leverage their skills and succeed within its framework.

"I think the idea of your work and your merit and your ability to maneuver your way through the system counts up to something," Rogan said. "The more effort you put in, the more reward you get back. I agree with the idea of capitalism in that way."

Brennan pushed back with an interesting counterpoint: raising taxes on capital gains wouldn't actually stop people from building companies or taking risks. He suggested that people would still pursue the same ambitions and do the same work even if incomes were nearly equal under a socialist system.

The Question of Excellence

That's where Rogan disagreed most strongly. He believes more incentives and competition make people work harder, plain and simple. When Brennan suggested that doctors should be motivated purely by a desire to help people, Rogan said good doctors can be driven by both money and altruism at the same time.

"I think the idea behind it is that it doesn't encourage competition amongst doctors," Rogan said. "If they're only going to get paid a certain amount of money no matter what, they have no incentive to be excellent. Money makes people more productive."

Nature's Competitive Drive

Rogan took the argument deeper, suggesting that human beings are naturally wired for material gains because nature itself rewards only the toughest and most competitive. This competitive instinct, he argued, is what drives people to create, produce and build new technology as they try to keep pace with each other.

"We're so super complex that we don't even understand our motivations for things," Rogan said. "All of our wants and needs and love for material possessions and all the things that come with it, all that is doing is somehow or another pushing innovation, pushing you keeping up with the Joneses, pushing some sort of a technological singularity that we're pushing toward."

He pointed to everyday technology as proof that the system works. We enjoy material things and depend on the companies that manufacture them, Rogan noted.

"I love having a laptop, I think it's awesome, I really like being able to go buy a cell phone, I love it, I love being able to get a car," Rogan said. "I'm not making any of these things, and neither are you, right?"

The debate captures a fundamental tension in economics: whether financial incentives are necessary to drive human excellence and innovation, or whether people would do meaningful work regardless of the reward structure. Rogan clearly falls into the former camp, believing that capitalism's competitive nature is what keeps pushing humanity forward technologically and economically.